tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3673435362400368888.post1277155169902105538..comments2023-04-01T13:39:24.156-07:00Comments on RocketsAndSuch: Three Questions?Rocket Manhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05109496878476775729noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3673435362400368888.post-23677899799587575262008-12-20T09:17:00.000-08:002008-12-20T09:17:00.000-08:00Without thrust termination, ARES-1 requires a larg...Without thrust termination, ARES-1 requires a larger abort system than an EELV would require. That's contributing to its lousy numbers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3673435362400368888.post-36029711411689830512008-12-20T08:21:00.000-08:002008-12-20T08:21:00.000-08:00The 1/8 was just my shorthand description - sorry ...The 1/8 was just my shorthand description - sorry for the confusion.<BR/><BR/>For Ben - You are correct in that there are a number of solutions to the problem. The real issue about Ares being the only game in town is that it is the only "funded" game in town. NASA funding is what puts them into the "Golden Rule" position: He who has the gold, makes the rules.<BR/><BR/>I would think that most of the contributors to this blog can readily see other possibilities for accomplishing the manned access to space mission. NASA is fixated upon their unique solution and since they are the gatekeepers to space / funding, it is their way or the highway.<BR/><BR/>What is truly incredible is the number of contractors that have signed up to build Ares, based upon NASA design, accepting whatever risk may have found its' way into the effort due to the less than stellar capabilities of the design staff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3673435362400368888.post-16863244404743603112008-12-19T13:15:00.000-08:002008-12-19T13:15:00.000-08:00With reference to that 1:8 probability, I wonder w...With reference to that 1:8 probability, I wonder what causes is. How much is due to exclusively the Orion (a different crew vehicle would be safer) and how much is due to the LV (can't lift a safer CV)?<BR/><BR/>With that issue aside, I am beginning to get just a <I>tiny</I> bit annoyed at this implicit assumption that Ares is the only game in town. In essence, Return to the Moon is being judged as a function of how expensive and difficult it would be with the current Constellation archetecture. Few people seem able to make the necessary leap of imagination to ask if it were worthwhile if a cheaper, safer and more quickly available archetecture were used.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3673435362400368888.post-61021427555408851302008-12-19T13:11:00.000-08:002008-12-19T13:11:00.000-08:00I wanna see Ceres.Are we there yet?I wanna see Ceres.<BR/><BR/>Are we there yet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3673435362400368888.post-78343045619057539432008-12-19T12:25:00.001-08:002008-12-19T12:25:00.001-08:00actually i think he meant a 1:8 chance oflanding a...actually i think he meant a 1:8 chance of<BR/>landing and returning safelyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3673435362400368888.post-73404184413531345992008-12-19T12:25:00.000-08:002008-12-19T12:25:00.000-08:00Kranz Motto : Competent and ToughCurrent Motto : I...Kranz Motto : Competent and Tough<BR/><BR/>Current Motto : Incompetent and uncontrolled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3673435362400368888.post-46790283890231449762008-12-19T11:44:00.000-08:002008-12-19T11:44:00.000-08:00Anonymous,I think that was a typo, I think he mean...Anonymous,<BR/>I think that was a typo, I think he meant a 1 in 8 chance of not making it back from the moon. Even that's atrocious though.<BR/><BR/>~JonJon Goffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10960488857253480586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3673435362400368888.post-70011265881867150862008-12-19T11:07:00.000-08:002008-12-19T11:07:00.000-08:00What is the driving urgency to go back to the Moon...What is the driving urgency to go back to the Moon? It must really be important to think that we should continue spending money even though we have a 1/8 chance of success.<BR/><BR/>Wonder where we would be if Gene Krantz had told the boys in the back room that a 1 in 8 possibility of success on Apollo 13was okay?<BR/><BR/>Whomever is keeping this program going could sell banana trees in Alaska!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com